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I visited the Yellowstone Zone of Death

  • Publicado em 17 Jul 2022
  • I feel like there are other BRclip channels that would take a different approach here. ▪ With thanks to Professor Brian Kalt: his original article is here: papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c... -- any inaccuracies that have slipped in are mine alone, and this is, obviously, not legal advice!
    To save you doing the research, my location while recording this was approximately 44.14 N, 111.05 W. I got three mosquito bites in under thirty minutes, including one on my hand.
    (And the credits for this one are very old-school, so I'm adding a slightly self-aggrandising note here: I did everything for this video! The camera, the editing, the sound mix, the graphics. It's good to know I can still do that occasionally!)
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Comentários • 6 252

  • Tom Scott
    Tom Scott  2 meses atrás +60190

    Two people drove past while I was setting up my camera, and I was, ever so briefly, worried.

    • Dave Cooke
      Dave Cooke 19 dias atrás

      Why be worried? You are automatically assuming that the other person(s) would want to commit murder or any other offence

    • Leek
      Leek 24 dias atrás

      @Kamran Rowshandel what

    • Kamran Rowshandel
      Kamran Rowshandel 26 dias atrás +1

      Is there any doubt that the thoughts which one counts more than zero times are the records which matter [at all]? Is there any doubt that within the duration that one attains the maximum possible level of innocence (and frees oneself from the self-evident truth that [or, from the "cycle in which"] one's word needs to be edited), that one considers anything which is real (including any inanimate object) to be one's role model, without any "screening process" to prevent one from considering [to be one's role model] those whom one had previously deemed to be ineligible to be one's role model?

    • Leek
      Leek 26 dias atrás

      @joey campbell so that people can just be kidnapped and dragged out too their deaths, amazing idea

    • Ka Wrss
      Ka Wrss 28 dias atrás +1

      Much like the british gov, we will lock people up for whatever we want. you cant get away with murder in usa.......unless ur rich...law enforcment...or political figure.

  • CelerityHouse
    CelerityHouse Mês atrás +2140

    I like how he didn't bring a cameraman for this one. He took no chances.

    • Punks in the back
      Punks in the back 8 horas atrás

      Maybe he took the cameraman... he just didn't came back

    • CelerityHouse
      CelerityHouse 7 dias atrás +1

      @nashie16 Or the cameraman when full FACE OFF and killed Tom and switched faces (and shirts). May explain why he did that VPN piece recently (I'm kidding)

    • nashie16
      nashie16 7 dias atrás +4

      He went with a cameraman, but came back alone.

    • CelerityHouse
      CelerityHouse 9 dias atrás

      @VisionThing I see where you're going with this....true, haha.

    • VisionThing
      VisionThing 10 dias atrás +2

      But maybe he did… maybe he did.

  • cymond
    cymond Mês atrás +2436

    "I am not going to tempt the forces of irony like that."
    I like this guy.

    • Marek Suma
      Marek Suma Dia atrás +1

      Irony is strong in that country. I heard about a motorcyclist who died from head injury... while returning from a rally against obligatory motorcycle helmets.

    • ratedpending (please don't sue me)
      ratedpending (please don't sue me) 6 dias atrás

      @kormannn1 can you uhhhh elaborate on that

    • dtidwell73
      dtidwell73 12 dias atrás +1

      Big ole scaredy cat

    • James Stocks
      James Stocks 13 dias atrás

      take your favorite democrat...

    • Soutarde PrO
      Soutarde PrO 17 dias atrás +4

      @kormannn1 oh no

  • Joseph Putnam Evans
    Joseph Putnam Evans 19 dias atrás +98

    That is so nuts, I have fished the Idaho section of Yellowstone a few times, and am a lawyer, and I had no idea about this. Aside from making sure I carried both my Wyoming and Idaho fishing licenses and a handgun (bears are a real concern for anglers there), I wasn't thinking about the law; in fact, those mountains are where I go to escape thinking about the law!

    • Taurick
      Taurick 12 dias atrás +9

      Probably the best spot you could be if you didn't want to think about the law

  • Andrew Tombstone
    Andrew Tombstone Mês atrás +597

    It would have to be a random, out of the blue, perfect timing murder otherwise they could charge you with kidnapping at least, or accuse you of killing the person outside the killzone and dropping their body off there. Technicalities work both ways

    • PHG
      PHG 20 dias atrás

      Then just record yourself killing the person at the spot.

    • The Real Cat of 2020
      The Real Cat of 2020 Mês atrás +10

      They would need to prove all of that

    • Jedi Nature
      Jedi Nature Mês atrás

      They will catch you coming out, you're still a citizen of the united states with records... unless you were born and lived in the zone of death all your life, there is no real getting away with murder here.

    • Leo Garcia
      Leo Garcia Mês atrás +26

      U wouldnt get away Scott free!!!! But u would catch a big break. Instead of like 30- life you'll b charged with like 3-8 years worth of stuff that would stick

    • Cmon Meow
      Cmon Meow Mês atrás +66

      even if they were willing, there'd be crossing state lines with intent or conspiracy to commit (interstate) x crime and jurors would be from Wyoming or your state of residence, government likes to loophole any loopholes

  • Mr. Wut
    Mr. Wut 16 dias atrás +47

    I just wanna say, Tom has invited me out here like 4 or 5 times saying "cmon you have got to see this, its incredible", but I keep ending up busy at the last second and he never specifies what it is I need to see, should I be worried? 😟

  • Glenn Gargiulo The Viking Real-Tour

    Considering how many people disappeared in Yellowstone it is creepy that this loophole exists...

  • Gabriel
    Gabriel Mês atrás +23

    "I'm not stupid enough to try and test it by committing a felony here, Apologies if you thought i was that stupid I am on youtube after all"
    and this is why i love your videos

  • Benjamin Vieson
    Benjamin Vieson Mês atrás +73

    "Hell no, I'm not going to tempt the forces of Irony like that". Some would call that superstitions. But he's absolutely right.

  • Joshua Evans
    Joshua Evans 2 meses atrás +12404

    Its absolutely hilarious to me that the "Yellowstone Zone of Death" has absolutely nothing to do with the supervolcano

    • gato
      gato 24 dias atrás

      @Erin k ohhh my bad my bad

    • Erin k
      Erin k 26 dias atrás

      @gato "this Aussie" was talking about myself, not Scott

    • gato
      gato 26 dias atrás

      @Erin k he's british, not australian

    • Yumyum Donuts
      Yumyum Donuts 28 dias atrás

      @CloudedEden but you still get a point for reminding me

    • Yumyum Donuts
      Yumyum Donuts 28 dias atrás

      @CloudedEden I ment volcanic winter

  • Plantparenthood
    Plantparenthood Mês atrás +51

    Professor kelt actually speaking understandable legal English. He needs to consider being a youtuber like legal eagle

  • bkm83442
    bkm83442 Mês atrás +5

    As a nearby resident of the "Zone of Death", bing eaten alive by mosquitos there is a real possibility. One of the most mosquito infested areas in the lower 48 states.

  • Dinodogdude 209
    Dinodogdude 209 Mês atrás +13

    I feel like the most likely crime to be committed in a place like that would be either poaching, illegal logging, or littering, something that doesn't necessarily require more than one person to be involved (which would make it a conspiracy). There's also various other rules in certain National Parks that someone could theoretically break in a place like that, like approaching wild animals, but I don't know if breaking those types of rules would be a criminal offense.

    • yaliso gioouy
      yaliso gioouy Mês atrás +1

      "Hell no, I am not going to tempt the forces of irony like that" This professor will survive any disaster. He's genre savvy as hell.

  • Jess Monica
    Jess Monica Mês atrás +19

    This isn't the video I expected haha. I thought this was going to be "Yellowstone is so wild and naturally dangerous, someone could hide a body here and it would look like an accident."

  • ghost307
    ghost307 2 meses atrás +4300

    The worst thing about moving into that part of Idaho would be that every time a crime gets committed...you get a summons for jury duty.

    • Jacob
      Jacob Mês atrás

      Worst part about living in that part of Idaho, is having to live in Idaho

    • Mikha Mikhin
      Mikha Mikhin Mês atrás

      @Indiana Holmes I'm sorry to hear about your period, but this does not disprove any of my arguments.

    • Indiana Holmes
      Indiana Holmes Mês atrás

      @Mikha Mikhin then educate yourself. It is not slavery. PERIOD.

    • Mikha Mikhin
      Mikha Mikhin Mês atrás

      @Indiana Holmes I don't want to repeat the whole conversation to you once again. Regardless of your personal position, it is involuntary servitude, which is forbidden by the constitution, because you are forced to do it. I have responded MULTIPLE times during this conversation regarding the use of the word "slavery." If you can't find the strength to read the entire conversation, then don't respond.

    • Indiana Holmes
      Indiana Holmes Mês atrás

      @Mikha Mikhin regardless of your personal opinion, Jury Duty is not slavery. If your only argument is that you personally don't want to perform Jury Duty and therefore it is slavery, that is woefully ignorant to what slavery is. Even if you don't want to do it, you will still be paid for your time, and it's not indefinite. Furthermore, if you have legitimate reasons for not being able to perform your duty as a juror, you will not be forced to attend.
      As a citizen of the US, it is part of your civic duty to perform Jury Duty as well as enlist if a draft is called. Just as it is your duty to pay taxes to the US government to provide for public needs and welfare. You can't just pick and choose what rights you have and which duties you can refuse and then insult those duties by labeling them the equivalent to slavery or indentured servitude.

  • Joe Smith
    Joe Smith Mês atrás +12

    To make it even more interesting, for a long time, the little strips of the park in Idaho and Montana were not considered part of any county within those states. I thought the same was true of the portion of Wyoming that makes up most of the park, but I can't find verification of that, so I think I was wrong.

  • Michael T.
    Michael T. Mês atrás

    I remember reading about that book in some magazine, just the short introduction to the plot. And the zone of death was mentioned.
    I always wondered wether this was a real thing.

  • Gill Black
    Gill Black Mês atrás

    Love your posts! Very interesting and fascinating, keep them coming ! 😊

  • Ruben woods
    Ruben woods Mês atrás

    I saw the title and thought Tom was going to visit "death gulch" or the other carbon dioxide buildup areas within the geothermal basins :3 but this is cool too!!

  • Shiny Agumon
    Shiny Agumon 2 meses atrás +8950

    I love these kind of legal loopholes.
    Reminds me of the bit in the Martian where Mark Watney points out that he's actually committing international piracy by driving around Mars.

    • eekee
      eekee 2 meses atrás

      That wasn't in the book. Now I want to watch the movie! XD But this whole thread reminds me how thin the line sometimes gets between legal and illegal behaviour.

    • Jannik Heidemann
      Jannik Heidemann 2 meses atrás +1

      Isn't there also a maritime law that allows you to take abandoned stuff as your own?

    • Ghoost
      Ghoost 2 meses atrás +1

      Yo a fellow The Martian fan

    • DJRonnieG
      DJRonnieG 2 meses atrás +1

      @Shiny Agumon can that e called maritime law?

    • Steve Austin
      Steve Austin 2 meses atrás

      @LightWaves What about GTA? I don't play that game.
      Oh, you mean stealing the rover? Nah, he had permission to use both rovers, so it would not be stealing. Vandalism maybe, but that won't stick as NASA was having him modify it when he lost comms with them.

  • CountryGirl
    CountryGirl Mês atrás

    I have been to Yellowstone. This is a very good reason to know the borders and where you're standing. Scary stuff.

  • Ohnoes Yougoboom
    Ohnoes Yougoboom Mês atrás

    I would love to see someone test this out in court

  • Lanny The Eldritch Deer
    Lanny The Eldritch Deer Mês atrás +6

    They could literally just interpret the "a jury from the district and the state" as having to be made up of both, and thus people from Idaho and the Wyoming district separately. The wording there doesn't seem to explicitly state everyone in the jury has to be both.

    • Lanny The Eldritch Deer
      Lanny The Eldritch Deer 11 dias atrás +1

      @Emily Smith Well no, "OR" would mean you could just fill the jury with one or the other. "And" indicates you do need both factors, but doesn't dictate how you need to include them or to what extent you must.

    • Emily Smith
      Emily Smith 11 dias atrás

      The conjunction you’re describing there is “OR,” not “AND.” But people don’t know that because they actually use “OR” as if it were the logical command “XOR.”

  • TheRealRevelation
    TheRealRevelation Mês atrás

    OMG! I just recently did a video (“Getting Old”) and used a clip of you!! Didn’t know you were on BRclip, just knew the clip was perfect for where I placed it (right when I say “… breathing is a privilege that most take for granted…”)
    Definitely have to check out more of your videos.

  • TM
    TM 2 meses atrás +5263

    As a native Idaho resident, you could do this anywhere basically.

    • Gaylord Faulker
      Gaylord Faulker Mês atrás +1

      @Aaron Jones I got pulled over in Idaho with pot by a drug dog and they just let me go

    • Banana
      Banana Mês atrás +1

      ​@Kaymarx I live in Alaska even more so

    • M_Stanfield5441
      M_Stanfield5441 Mês atrás

      Is that a pfp of Kuribo

    • Todd Hinckley
      Todd Hinckley Mês atrás +2

      @i do not know Nah bro it wasnt confirmed there is people just a rumor Im hoping its true tho

    • i do not know
      i do not know Mês atrás +1

      they have people in Idaho and not just potatoes?

  • jaxtraw
    jaxtraw Mês atrás +10

    I'm impressed that the professor is wise enough to not tempt the forces of irony.

  • Ethan Roberts
    Ethan Roberts 9 dias atrás +1

    "Apologies if you thought I was that stupid, I am on BRclip after all"
    I hear ya Tom, world's gone mad

  • DoggoVision
    DoggoVision Mês atrás

    You should do a video about the death zone in Florida.
    It's the constantly backed up public restroom at one of our local marinas.

  • mbaxter22
    mbaxter22 Mês atrás +1

    They need to somehow work this into the final season of Yellowstone.

  • Matasa
    Matasa 2 meses atrás +12923

    "Hell no, I am not going to tempt the forces of irony like that"
    This professor will survive any disaster. He's genre savvy as hell.

    • Marian Treber
      Marian Treber Mês atrás

      What's he going to do with bears? 😐

    • 8-bitato
      8-bitato Mês atrás +1

      @アダム L

    • David James
      David James Mês atrás

      He was worried he might fall over and accidentally stab someone to death.

    • Young man Adolf
      Young man Adolf Mês atrás

      @ItsyaboyAndy he’s

  • ?Entity? 404
    ?Entity? 404 Mês atrás +2

    I want to live a life like Scott. So much knowledge, exploration, and fun. I wish I knew where to start.

    • ?Entity? 404
      ?Entity? 404 Mês atrás +1

      @whatsapp①⑥③⓪④⑥⑦⑤⓪①⓪ bruh these bots

  • Emam Al Araf
    Emam Al Araf Mês atrás

    Thanks for letting me and half a million other people know about this place.

  • Gage Light
    Gage Light Mês atrás

    I remember a story of a dude poaching a bear in this area and a judge convicted him just to not set a precedent.

  • Mimicri
    Mimicri Mês atrás

    Well now its just inevitable that someone will watch this video(or not), commit a crime to test it, and start the process of fixing this.

  • Tim Wilson
    Tim Wilson 2 meses atrás +10295

    Not gonna lie, I was kind of hoping Tom was going to break a couple really obscure Idaho laws like riding a merry-go-round on a Sunday or buying a chicken after sundown without the sheriff’s permission. Like a sequel to the video about committing dumb crimes in London.

    • Daff Quess
      Daff Quess Mês atrás

      Again, those are state laws. He would need to break a federal law in order to invoke the loophole.

    • Itz_MythiTie
      Itz_MythiTie Mês atrás


    • J'Hue Casey
      J'Hue Casey Mês atrás

      Wouldn't matter much. Those laws were only made to lock up dark skinned folks anyway.

    • Adam Link
      Adam Link Mês atrás

      Are those actual laws? If so, why?!

    • A Random Couch Potato
      A Random Couch Potato Mês atrás

      ~we flew a kite in a public place~

  • Walker Firmin
    Walker Firmin Mês atrás

    I’m just surprised that mosquitoes survive that far north. I’m from the south and can barely withstand the winters here.

  • Jim Murphy
    Jim Murphy Mês atrás

    Completely off topic, Tom, how do you like driving in America? My son went to Ireland a couple of years back and said driving on the other side was one of the hardest things he's ever done.

  • Tyler Nguyen
    Tyler Nguyen Mês atrás

    As a neuroscientist, I’m itching for someone to test this hypothesis 🤣

  • Alex Peterson
    Alex Peterson Mês atrás

    If I were the judge, I would say that for lack of a jury pool in the defined boundary, the best we can do to satisfy the purpose of the clause is to draw from communities that routinely intermingle with the area

  • Alex TW
    Alex TW 2 meses atrás +7908

    Another problem with poaching an elk in this zone is trying to find a saucepan big enough to boil the water .

    • Kate PS
      Kate PS Mês atrás

      Okay you win the internet today!

    • Dr Dysl3xia
      Dr Dysl3xia 2 meses atrás

      @Nugg Dimmadome touché

    • Yobogoya
      Yobogoya 2 meses atrás +1

      That was puntastic. I tip my hat, good sir.

    • George
      George 2 meses atrás

      @G-Forces it's the best result

    • hayman taylor
      hayman taylor 2 meses atrás

      You could just use a dishwasher.

  • Wiz Nerd
    Wiz Nerd Mês atrás

    I don't know much about anything outside of bird law, but couldn't they build a domicile (if there aren't any already) in this death zone, and pay some folks (however many are required to fulfill the district requirement for a jury) to establish residence here? Is this area a population of zero because it's the zone of death? Or is it the zone of death because there is a population of zero?

  • Nick Senn
    Nick Senn 17 dias atrás

    Very well made video. Good job Tom!

  • Luke Arts
    Luke Arts 28 dias atrás

    Actually there might be something the park could do easily and quickly to help local justice: if they prohibit any access to that zone to non-staff from well within the borders of Wyoming, then whatever crime is committed in the Death Zone would be stacked as an added charge to the trespassing, and it would be a fair request from the prosecution to try all linked crimes in the same court, therefor allowing them to prosecute and try the larger crime in the court that has jurisdiction over the trespassing crime. It's probably not air-tight, but it sure would make things a lot easier and would create more precedent for a judge to accept the charges. Of course, the ego of Idaho judges will have to suffer the idea that a Wyoming judge is trying crimes committed in their state (yet not their district anyway).
    Since it's an amendment of the constitution, why isn't it possible to just change that amendment? Part of your constitution is based on ours (Belgian) and we were able to change the constitution for futile matters that have a much bigger impact on the structure of the country (I'm referring to the amended power of the parliament to temporarily dethrone the king when said king vetoes a resolution to a blocking issue, such as happened with king Baudoin I when he vetoed the abortion law and he was stripped of his powers for 3 days for the Senate to pass the bill... After that event, the political role of the king was effectively annihilated, turning it into a purely ceremonial role) My point: they shouldn't wait to fix it until a big crime happens that would force them to fix it in a pickle.

    • bckalt
      bckalt 28 dias atrás +1

      The simplest thing to do would be to pass a simple statute redrawing the district lines. Amending the Constitution is a tall order--the U.S. Constitution is one of the hardest ones in the world to amend--and is not needed here.

  • Fancy RiffRaff
    Fancy RiffRaff Mês atrás

    I thought the ‘Zone of Death’ was the stretch of road where tourists get out of their cars to take selfies standing next to wild animals.

  • tarmaque
    tarmaque 2 meses atrás +1788

    That's a wise move. The mosquitoes in that area have been known to fly off with small pets and the occasional child. The death of an adult male has never been proven, but who wants to take that chance?

    • My Comment is Entirely Sarcastic
      My Comment is Entirely Sarcastic 2 meses atrás +1

      No one has ever found a deceased adult male with mosquitos being the cause of death. It's not because it doesn't happen, its because THERE IS NOTHING LEFT. All those missing persons that just cannot be found? Betcha it was mosquitos.

    • MyTech
      MyTech 2 meses atrás +2

      @VP Mosquitos are the Alaska state bird.

    • Everald
      Everald 2 meses atrás +6

      @VP I was a denier too, until my entire family was taken by a squadron of mosquitos. They haven’t come back yet.

    • vitriolicAmaranth
      vitriolicAmaranth 2 meses atrás +6

      @VP Sorry, but you're factually wrong. They definitely can.

    • Splimp Shlitshlicker
      Splimp Shlitshlicker  2 meses atrás +6

      @VP I was taken by them as a child, had to survive in the wilderness for ten years. Never underestimate those bastards.

  • Aaron Andersen
    Aaron Andersen 28 dias atrás

    I was worried for a moment until you got to the part where judges don't follow the law or the constitution. I almost forgot for a moment and got lulled into a sense of security that I had rights.

  • Wyoming Adventures
    Wyoming Adventures Mês atrás +3

    Been in the death zone many times. C J Box lives in my town. C J writes great books!

  • bpark222
    bpark222 2 dias atrás

    I think mosquito’s are immune from extradition so it was good idea to run.

  • Adrien Rassat
    Adrien Rassat 19 horas atrás

    I wonder if the professor's discovery of that loophole might be doing more harm than good, now that people are aware of it...

  • Thomas Richardson
    Thomas Richardson 2 meses atrás +2904

    Looks like the mosquitos are well aware of the laws!! Great video, as always, Tom!

    • Barton Chittenden
      Barton Chittenden 2 meses atrás +2

      I'm betting that Tom probably murdered a number of mosquitoes while there. More interestingly, the mosquitoes that assaulted him probably could be put up on trial, because I'm sure that a judge in those parts would have no problem finding 12 of them.

    • Destroy666
      Destroy666 2 meses atrás +4

      @Ragnhild no, mosquitoes are friendly normally in fact, I have few of them as pets. They even kiss me out of gratitude

    • joatmon101b
      joatmon101b 2 meses atrás +21

      Tom discovered why the mosquito is jokingly called the state bird in a number of states.

    • Banana
      Banana 2 meses atrás +4

      @homeland11 Umm mosquitoes can be less aggressive in certain places

    • Ragnhild
      Ragnhild 2 meses atrás +39

      Mosquitoes will be bloodthirsty no matter where you are.

  • Bigtrent44
    Bigtrent44 Mês atrás

    You can still be charged in Wyoming for this area legally actually, many people have been and still continue to be.

  • Anita Kristensen
    Anita Kristensen Mês atrás

    There was a murder committed in the park years ago . The guy said it was self defense and proved it to be true . If my memory is correct. The guy that got murdered tried to make moves on the other , he hit him on the head with a rock. After that the guy came to his home town and set a school on fire . I live in the town and know of the guys parents .

  • abby burke
    abby burke Mês atrás +1

    I’ve lived in Idaho my entire life and I’ve never heard of this. How interesting 🧐

  • sturdybutter
    sturdybutter 13 dias atrás +1

    “Apologies to those of you that thought I was that stupid, I am on BRclip after all”
    Never has someone burned the entire group of BRcliprs so badly.

  • Tabor Redford
    Tabor Redford 2 meses atrás +5789

    back in college, A few buddies and I drove up to the belcher ranger station and then hiked up to Dunanda falls, the few people we met on the trail were some of the nicest people I have ever met. It's probably safe to assume they were so pleasant because they had just finished murdering their worst enemies.

    • BlackSeranna
      BlackSeranna Mês atrás

      You need a shirt with the word OPTIMIST on it.

    • Mothinajamjar
      Mothinajamjar Mês atrás

      That’d put a pep in anyones step for sure 😀

    • Leo Garcia
      Leo Garcia Mês atrás

      Thought u guys were the psychos they did

    • 中國有兩個
      中國有兩個 Mês atrás +2

      murder satisfaction has fulfill , in Saint mode XD

    • E. joe joseph Griego
      E. joe joseph Griego Mês atrás

      @Alyssa Farnes on tha internet du na falls is a never ending snipe key reply , can you key more plesase ! oliver.

  • Kevin Stanton
    Kevin Stanton Mês atrás

    I love technicalities! Was on a jury once for someone pulled over in a work zone for speeding. He tried saying he was past the work zone when he was speeding at 11pm.
    The lawyer did say that signs were posted , but never mentioned if anyone was actually working at 11pm.
    The law states that it for it to be a work zone, it must have signs AND workers present.... we really didnt have much to go one though.

    • Deto Qcney
      Deto Qcney Mês atrás

      Noooo don't fix it! We need a small little square where we can purge each other without repercussions...

    SILLY SNEK Mês atrás

    Ah the real live PvP zone, brave you went in with so much loot.

  • James Keefe
    James Keefe Mês atrás

    Idaho itself could fix the problem by un-ceding the zone of death which would allow state courts to prosecute there. Thats because the zone is not a federal territory, its an area in Idaho gave jurisdiction to the federal government, but its still Idaho, so it can take it back at any time.

  • Kai0nTheMoon
    Kai0nTheMoon 24 dias atrás

    How do we know you weren't in some random safe wooded area and merely told us it was the 'zone of death'. 🤔

  • Cream147player
    Cream147player 2 meses atrás +5665

    It's a shame that this wasn't put to the test in the poaching an elk case, as that would have given some precedent before it gets to murder or a similarly serious crime - or if the defence had worked, there'd be more compulsion to resolve it.

    • bckalt
      bckalt 2 meses atrás +1

      @John Airey The problem isn't the Constitution here--the vicinage requirement is easy to comply with and no other district has a problem with it. The problem is the statute drawing the district lines in this spot.

    • Ivan Sergeevich
      Ivan Sergeevich 2 meses atrás

      Hey guys 🤝. Believe in Jesus. Believe in the King of Kings and Lord of Lords 👑

    • Pieter Veenders
      Pieter Veenders 2 meses atrás

      @Anonymous Considering its a national park, although people don't live there it's not exactly far fetched to think people still visit the area, potentially setting themselves up to become a murder victim in a very strange murder case...

    • joe g
      joe g 2 meses atrás +1

      That case in a way did set a form of precedent. Not to the full extent of the law, but you will not go free. Plus, as it was put, there is still other legal matters that can be applied depending on the crime. As my professor in college put it. " For every law, there is a loophole."

    • Muhammad B Rusyda
      Muhammad B Rusyda 2 meses atrás

      @King Kak I think you're talking about different kind of guilt.
      You're talking about guilt in front of the law, while he's talking about guilt in more general sense.

  • Eric Yuan
    Eric Yuan Mês atrás

    The thing is there's no witnesses so even if you were guilty, you'd probably get away with it and add to the pile of unsolved crimes.

  • Gekoloniseerdhiermetdiespecerijen

    Imagine going on a walk there and seeing a person in a full suit of armour walking towards you with a sword out

  • Shawn
    Shawn Mês atrás

    So, Gentlemen having a history of
    mutual enmity, could agree to utilize dueling pistols at 10 paces and by performing the duel within the "Yellowstone Zone of Death", the surviving winner would not face a premeditated murder charge and a potentially just merely wounded sore loser could not press assault, attempted manslaughter or attempted murder charges.

  • Boe Judden
    Boe Judden Mês atrás

    this makes for a fun thought experiment unless you know anything about how tragically abused our prosecution system is IRL

  • dandy-lions
    dandy-lions 2 meses atrás +1858

    An actual realistic crime that can be committed in the Zone of Death is illegal logging

    • Strange 7
      Strange 7 3 dias atrás

      What happens when you take the logs outside the zone, sell them to someone else outside the zone?

    • Calihiker
      Calihiker 14 dias atrás

      @Wolfette Plays state parks are not federal

    • adwa awddw
      adwa awddw Mês atrás +3

      @Wolfette Plays You don't get sued by the court, you get sued by the state.
      That being said you can request a jury trial for civil cases too so you run into the same problem.

    • Sir Prize
      Sir Prize Mês atrás +2

      @Wolfette Plays This is just blatantly untrue. The United States (AKA the federal government) can absolutely be named as either plaintiff or defendant in a civil case. This is explicitly outlined in Article 3 of the constitution.

    • Oflameo
      Oflameo Mês atrás +1

      @Wolfette Plays But anyone else can because this is America!

  • Greenman422
    Greenman422 Mês atrás

    IF he didnt take the deal and went to trial it would have been case-law and help out anyone else later who commits a felony in the death zone!

  • Nathan Wilson
    Nathan Wilson 19 dias atrás +1

    Yellowstone was established well after the 6th amendment was written. Seems more a fault of whoever drew the districts. 6th amendment worked fine until the borders were drawn.

  • matchesburn
    matchesburn 20 dias atrás +2

    If Congress is going to Congress and allow it to stand... I'm sorry, but if someone somehow ONLY commits a crime in this area, then you should by law and all rights let them go. This is all the more reason Congress should stop dragging their heels and actually fix their own mistake.
    (And, by the way, it could be possible to commit a crime that's only subject to the Zone of Death's jurisdiction, it would be... exceedingly difficult to do due to just how many laws the federal government or your own residential state could bring up you from you traveling there and back. Conspiracy is a big one, of course. Then you have to prove that, say, you didn't kidnap or illegally detain anyone. And then prove that somehow you didn't trespass anywhere to the Zone or anything. It would be difficult, but if you were bound and determined you could get away with it - at least on paper.)

  • Gregory Bogosian
    Gregory Bogosian Mês atrás

    I grew up in the U.S. I had heard of the Zone of Death. But, I didn't know how it actually worked until now. That being said: Congress are not really the people in charge. The President is the country's head of state and head of government. The president is elected by the electoral college, which is a separate entity from Congress. The people who actually have the final authority on what the law is are the Supreme Court. Congress was supposed to be in charge when the country was founded. But, future generations of politicians changed that by strengthening the president.

  • Katie Chan
    Katie Chan 2 meses atrás +595

    I see how Tom deliberately chose not to bring a camera operator to film him so as not to tempt fate. 😅

    • Jorin Lutz
      Jorin Lutz 2 meses atrás +6

      Or he couldnt find anyone willing to go there because they were scared...

    • Vigilant Cosmic Penguin
      Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 2 meses atrás +23

      @Horntx A found footage horror movie with Tom Scott as the villain would be quite interesting.

    • Horntx
      Horntx 2 meses atrás +54

      When I clicked I was hoping the video would end with tom pulling out a knife and looking menacingly at the camera operator. "So what would happen if a crime was committed in the zone of death. There's only one way to find out!" *Cut to footage end screen*

    • Tiogshi Laj
      Tiogshi Laj 2 meses atrás

      "Oh, sure Tom, I'll make sure you're shot from your good side alright..."

  • Jacob Rinehart
    Jacob Rinehart 26 dias atrás

    This guy makes me actually want to learn

  • TheMarionick
    TheMarionick 26 dias atrás

    The law: *Trying to do its job*
    One specific part of Yellowstone: “Nah, not feeling like it.”

  • Marek Suma
    Marek Suma Dia atrás

    Cool episode, you should make one about committing crimes on international waters.

  • Mr. Ant
    Mr. Ant 29 dias atrás

    Imagine people who wanted to commit a crime move there after watching this video, hence lifting the population count in the area from 0 and enabling a jury.

  • Tim Aidley
    Tim Aidley 2 meses atrás +2477

    I like the way you can tell that the the 'Tom drives in to Yellowstone Park' and 'Tom drives out of Yellowstone Park' were filmed within minutes of each other by the almost identical shadows on the trees in each shot.

    • The Wreckoning
      The Wreckoning 2 meses atrás

      @Max Mustermann I don't think you even have to dispose of it.

    • Tony D.
      Tony D. 2 meses atrás +1

      It's editing. He set up his camera for the shot. He drove into the park, and then turned around and drove out. I guess he could have left his camera unattended while he videoed the rest, so he could try to prosecute anyone who stole it in the Zone of Death.

    • Boring Content
      Boring Content 2 meses atrás

      How about, just maybe, the fact that all he had to do was set up his camera and talk for a couple of minutes? That might explain why time didn’t pass enough to drastically alter the position of the shadows

    • Rika
      Rika 2 meses atrás

      @Tim Aidley Understood!

    • Tim Aidley
      Tim Aidley 2 meses atrás

      @Rika I would never admit to being bored when watching one of Tom's videos!

  • Syed Mohammed
    Syed Mohammed 5 dias atrás +1

    I want to take my boss to this place. Looks like a nice place for camping with him.....

  • Journey With Nora
    Journey With Nora Mês atrás

    "I'm gonna leave before I get eaten alive by mosquitoes"
    If mosquitoes kill someone in the zone, can they be put on trial?

  • Invictus
    Invictus Mês atrás

    If someone told me that while I was there and it was true, let's just say I wouldn't need my own little private corner of the earth that no one knows about anymore.

  • Toa of Gallifrey
    Toa of Gallifrey Mês atrás

    This is like if an online game disables PvP serverwide but there's a little bit of map geometry where PvP is still enabled and the devs haven't bothered patching it.

  • Sam
    Sam 2 meses atrás +2953

    I went to law school shortly after this discovery. We talked about it in Criminal Procedure class. It was a fun topic.

    • Daniel J
      Daniel J 2 meses atrás +2

      @John Airey No one serious seems to be disputing that murder on federal land is a federal crime, but to convict and punish someone for a federal crime requires following a set of procedures that provide 'due process' protecting various rights of the accused (such as the right to a jury trial for certain crimes). The whole point of this 'zone of death' theory is that there's a lack of precision in crafting the jurisdictional and procedural policies that potentially results in a loophole such that the due process and jury selection framework can't actually be satisfied according to the letter of the law. Sure, law enforcement and the courts are likely to prosecute, anyway, regardless of the letter of the law, but some people find the discussion of interest. You could be trolling, too, so there's that.

    • bckalt
      bckalt 2 meses atrás

      @John Airey Instead of repeating yourself, maybe explain why you think that affects the 6th Amendment problem here. Because what you are saying is part of the *premise* of the loophole theory, not a refutation of it. Of course it's a federal crime. If it weren't, the 6th Amendment Vicinage Clause wouldn't even apply here and the loophole would close.

    • bckalt
      bckalt 2 meses atrás

      @John Airey You still haven't explained what you think the hole in the theory is (which, for the record, was originated in the law review article that Tom linked, not in a "crap movie" by a "spotty teenager"). What is your legal argument here?

    • bckalt
      bckalt 2 meses atrás

      @John Airey What's your point? The whole premise of the loophole is that the feds would be the ones prosecuting.

    • isohyde
      isohyde 2 meses atrás

      @Don Jones buddy...felons cannot own firearms, period. 😂 Doesn't matter what they were convicted of, and it's a federal law.

  • Bo Ray
    Bo Ray Mês atrás

    Thanks for the info! I’m Heading there today with a bunch of victims!

  • Kaskadia Jackass Watch

    Committing a felony across state lines (traveling) would make the crime a Federal issue.

  • S L
    S L 27 dias atrás

    Exposing this may very well encourage those to use this area for such purposes 😔

  • Pezzonovante
    Pezzonovante Mês atrás

    Great video and not any longer than it needed to be. Subscribed.

  • { Under Paid }
    { Under Paid } Mês atrás

    And to think in there same breath, these trails with bears aren't even thought out as if...,.
    Lots of Heavy Bear zones!

  • Sparky Leah
    Sparky Leah Mês atrás

    You can get away with murder anywhere, you just have to be sneaky and a good liar.

  • Jeffrey Joe
    Jeffrey Joe Mês atrás

    Huh, I did not know this, and I've spent almost all of my life in Idaho near this zone.

  • Ryan Anthony
    Ryan Anthony Mês atrás +1

    A good judge would have thrown it out and said "hey, I don't make the laws, you need to fix this"

  • Mutual Information
    Mutual Information 2 meses atrás +1673

    By the end of Tom Scott’s career, he will have turned over every bizarre legal stone there is.

    • Teppo
      Teppo 2 meses atrás +2

      He´ll never go anywhere near the big, politically inflammable ones. Such that relate to fact that powers that be can do whatever the hell they want to start a war where ever they want.

    • Claudio Bizama
      Claudio Bizama 2 meses atrás +3

      Nothing will top flying kites in a public place.

    • steem lenn
      steem lenn 2 meses atrás +3

      You underestimate lawmakers.

    • Korumann
      Korumann 2 meses atrás +1

      He'd have to turn over the world nearly. But it sure would be interesting to see

    • Alonso Birmingham
      Alonso Birmingham 2 meses atrás +4

      @Nesogra I think you shouldn't underestimate Tom Scott XD

  • Colin
    Colin Mês atrás

    A Prosecutor could just file a motion for change of venue. Some poacher already tried to use Brian Kalt's article as a defense to a change of venue and it was dismissed.

  • pamela hewitt
    pamela hewitt Mês atrás

    People may think I am crazy. But I have been getting strong vibes for the last year for everyone to stay away and out of National Parks and Forest's. Baby, bad vibes.....like murder and strange things going on and rituals. Allegedly. Please be cautious.

  • Christopher Johnson
    Christopher Johnson 16 dias atrás

    There might be a similar issue in the Northwest Angle of Minnesota, with the land belonging to a Native American tribe and also the state of Minnesota.

  • Enzo
    Enzo Mês atrás

    Depends on how e interprets the requirements of the jury. The law doesn’t say each member has to be from both the state and the district, just that the composition of the jury is comprised of people from those two places. Somewhat like saying the attendance at a football game was comprised of people from New York and Chicago.
    He may be a law professor, but I don’t buy his argument.

  • wispa
    wispa 2 meses atrás +1527

    I think if anyone actually tried to get away with murder via this loophole, the federal government would try to _"Al Capone"_ them. The prosecution would try to charge you with any and all potential crimes you committed outside the zone, e.g. conspiracy, or kidnapping (if you took someone there against their will) and make sure you got the maximum sentence on every single one of them. I think it would be close to impossible to commit murder inside the zone without committing any crimes before/after which could get you a custodial sentence.

    • J Grant
      J Grant 21 dia atrás

      Dodging murder charges but then getting thrown in jail bc of some obscure technicality, like "we found a brown recluse in your car, so you're guilty of transporting a venomous animal across state lines. That's going to be either a hefty fine or 250 consecutive life sentences 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸"

    • Jen'ari-asha
      Jen'ari-asha 2 meses atrás

      @František Vrána No they wouldn’t. That’s not what attempted murder means. Also, the death zone has 0 permanent residents. It does however have regular visitors and tourists. There are people who could be killed without having been led there.

    • František Vrána
      František Vrána 2 meses atrás

      @Jen'ari-asha No, merely planning a crime is not a crime. It could be research for a detective novel.
      However, if a murderer intends to commit murder in a 0 population area, they need to lead a victim there.
      And since at least part of the leading happens in another state or district, they would be guilty of attempted murder there.

    • Jen'ari-asha
      Jen'ari-asha 2 meses atrás

      @František Vrána Again, planning to kill someone isn't a crime in and of itself. You can plan to commit however many crimes you want in the US. It is perfectly legal. I am confused how people aren't getting this.

    • Timothy McLean
      Timothy McLean 2 meses atrás

      @František Vrána And then they'd have to convince the attorney general or whomever that they didn't intend to kill anyone until after entering the Zone of Death. Which doesn't sound like something where the burden of proof should fall on the defendant, but an argument could probably be made that pretrial procedure follows different regulations than the actual trial, and this sort of thing would probably get enough media attention for the justice system to feel the need to prosecute the bastard _somehow._

  • Steve
    Steve Mês atrás

    Looks scary. You know when you visit a place like Yellowstone zone, I pack food and other stuff before I go there. Doesn't look peaceful to me.

  • CerebroSpinal
    CerebroSpinal 20 dias atrás +1

    I am 100% convinced that congress will not rectify this issue until someone actually tests it out.

  • John Paul
    John Paul Mês atrás

    nice, i’ll be planning my next trip to the death zone. Two goes in one comes out.

  • Park Loqi
    Park Loqi Mês atrás

    The solution would be for the judge to hold court inside the Zone of Death. It may be out of that court’s jurisdiction, but no appeals court could touch any ruling because it’s also outside their jurisdiction. I like when a bureaucratic system makes a mockery of itself.

  • Alec Kunkel
    Alec Kunkel 2 meses atrás +7758

    Here's the issue about the US, Tom: changing something like this requires congressmembers to be slightly mentally competent

    • Michael Toner
      Michael Toner 11 dias atrás

      @Yvon Tripper until a serious crime does occur there...

    • Mollusck Scramp
      Mollusck Scramp 11 dias atrás

      @L But they haven't done that for an eon either so...

    • Axolotl 563
      Axolotl 563 28 dias atrás

      @informant09 many of us (not the majority) are forward thinking and do try to cause change. Something to keep in mind is that most of what you see of Americans is either online or from news outlets. This country really isn't as horrible as media makes it seem. Media is arguable one of this countries greatest problems as it makes both the people feel ashamed of our country and makes foreigners view us as two barbaric flocks of sheep fighting each other.

    • Christian Di Donna
      Christian Di Donna 29 dias atrás

      @informant09 you know a lot of peaple do suggest solutions they still ignore it so your just constructing a scare crow

    • Helghan Nationalist
      Helghan Nationalist 29 dias atrás

      @informant09 yall just mad that yall ain't american

  • Nocturnal Nubbs
    Nocturnal Nubbs Mês atrás +1

    "the prosecution wouldn't concede because that's just a technicality."
    I mean, isn't that the whole point of law is to use technicalities to win? I know some cases try to use the "spirit of the law" but just patch the loop hole to avoid that headache.